Podcast: Your Symptoms Are Your Saving Grace Part 2

By Dr. Nicole Cain ND, MA
Nov 28, 2016
2:05 am

Dr. Nicole Cain, ND MA is interviewed by Glenn Brooks of Vibrant Living on the topic of “Your Symptoms Are Your Saving Grace, Pt.2.”  In this podcast, Dr. Cain continues the conversation about symptoms and how they are invitations to deeper healing and your best life.

My Mental Health Doc- Podcast 2- Your Symptoms Are Your Saving Grace Part 2 with Dr. Nicole Cain, Glenn Brooks and Rose Rivera

Dr. Cain:

[00:00:01] For ages, mankind has been searching for solutions to resolving symptoms. But what if the symptom is the solution?

[00:00:09] Today’s conversation is part two of the series entitled Your Symptoms are Your Saving Grace. I collaborated with Glenn Brooks of the Unscripted Power Network and Rose Rivera of Limitless Life Evolution. This is my mental health doc. Welcome to the journey towards a life empowered. I am Dr. Nicole Cain.



[00:00:43] I want to welcome you to be on the formula. I’m Glenn Brooks. Have you ever wondered about your life in terms of, like the things you accept to be normal, the things that you kind of wonder about, about your health and well-being? Well, we don’t. I don’t have an education because the formula is we see a lot of our ads about pharmaceuticals. People speak those in a language they don’t feel well. We attribute it to aging. We might attribute it to heredity. You know, I had the honor of meeting Jack LaLanne. And Jack in his 90s personally told me that aging was a bad habit not to get into it. He turned out to be right because when he died, he’s not as popular as he was. The second thing was he told me his father had died around 50, but he wasn’t his father. But really interested me kind of became interesting to me is his unusual skills and or awareness. I want to acknowledge Rose Rivera, who’s my co genius, my co enquire, my co-host is who the flow was. So that’s so natural. Just pick up on the next stop. I want everybody to tune into Rose. And I want to say we continue in our series Addicted to Cocaine as a homeopath, a healing philosopher. Nicole, what you do is you just people not just arriving someplace, but discovering and integrating. Is it really a lot of life is discovering, integrating? You know, a lot of times we suddenly can occur with less than one a dialogue about it. Right. Must we find the language authentically? May not be aware of it. I really appreciate this. This whole life integration process that we go through. I want to hopefully welcome you again.

[00:02:23] What would you like? What would you like to share, what’s bubbling for you? Nicole?


Dr. Cain:

[00:02:28] We’ve been really looking forward to this conversation and continuing the talk that we did last time about Princeton as a medical practitioner. Patients come to me and they have zones. And typically the objective is to see what I can offer them to help them get rid of the symptoms. And part of my work is to actually propose a shift in how we perceive symptoms.

[00:02:57] And so last time we talked about that, the process of transforming our perspective, distance being a problem to your cells and saying you’re feeling great.

[00:03:08] And so I wanted to kind of expand on that in case there were people who are listening today that weren’t part of our podcast last time and then shift into what happened next after the change occurred before the new integration had set in. And so the first thing I want to mention is the cultivation of sensitivity to the voice of our system and a new way of relating to our body from a sense of respect and training base for your body to share with you what isn’t working because your symptoms actually opened the door to your better self. And allowing that process to take place requires a fundamental pivot in our relationship itself. And so as we go forward, my encouragement is that listeners start to consider how that may look as they’re reflecting upon what we’re talking about within itself. And is three first identifying how you do relate to yourself, your symptoms, your body, and what kinds of opportunities? This is perhaps the day for transformation and for you what that might look like. Your symptoms are here to help. They’re not a problem. And it makes me think about I have people come in, they have had you fatigue, anxiety, many other things. Those are the solutions. Those aren’t the problem. For example, maybe we have headaches because we have unaddressed anger with our parents. Or maybe we have fatigue because we’re burning the candle at both ends. Or anxiety because something in our job isn’t working. Our symptoms are these unpleasant truths that you can’t speak and they speak for you. And if we can listen, they can help us become better people. So I’m excited due to several math topics today.



[00:05:11] You know, Rose and Nicole. There was a period of time and hasn’t happened this year. It hasn’t happened. Oh, no, I’m sorry it did happen. I had to take on me in April, which I actually had. I actually worked with the coal. But what’s funny about the whole talk about the symptoms and how that there are they have their give their contribution.

[00:05:35] They inform us what’s going on. They allow us to pay attention. They allow us to expand our seeing. And in some sense, they allow us to access our healing. Well, before I got it. More enlightened about how to deal with a tick on me, I usually to go the emergency room and it was like, oh my God, this is your room.

[00:05:53] My experience is all about your symptoms, your absolute enemy, your body, your enemy. As a matter of fact, the meter says your blood pressure is too high. That’s another problem. It’s I remember going there and I used to joke and say I, I would take on my book, which is going to be high. And it was Sobeys. Right. And I realized like, well, how do I settle in and access, healing and going with symptoms from the absolute enemy. My body is a problem. The agent that’s impacted my body from. So I stopped going. I learned about another way to get our tics. But I think the bigger lesson for me was that, wow, it’s really interesting how we give our psyche, our bodies, our spirit that someone else may not even know. It spent 10 minutes with us. They give us this thing called the diagnosis, or they describe symptoms, which has this huge, problematic, problematic implication, limited lifestyle medications. And if you’re paying attention, TV or most of the drug ads, pretty severe side effects. So I feel like we’re living in total chaos about what well-being is in the form that we have right now is is is so unconscious and toxic, it puts us so out of touch with ourselves as beings and how our relationship, the things are relating to healing is the healing thing itself, not the fire truck of how they diagnose and treat us. So it just breaks like Nicole and Rose that just I realize this whole thing about some is a serious business.


Dr. Cain:

[00:07:21] Well, what you’re saying is interesting to one, because you have a certain set of symptoms. And then the emotional response to that symptoms is actually going to impact the way that your body behaves. So you’re anxious about it, say your body’s developing symptoms and then you have judgment toward the symptoms and your body raises your blood pressure because you go into a fight or flight mode. And so the way that we perceive them can actually impact our physiology, that psychobiology interplay. And it can even go beyond that, beyond just simple biomechanics to do other everything with quantum physics and water, crystal changes based on information that’s given to the water from intention and how that can actually change your cellular structure and your cellular behavior. And so what you’re describing is it’s like it’s a domino effect of physiology that can impact the person mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and then impact the way that genetics starts and then the way the genetics impact their progeny and so on and so forth. It’s a phenomenal occurrence that happens that just starts in the brain.



[00:08:37] Well, I have one more experience I want to share, Rose, and I want to turn this over to you. I just shared this with Rose earlier, Nicole. So yesterday I’m at Whole Foods. I’m eating my chicken yesterday, and I’m listening to this conversation with this couple. It was all about this teacher coming to town and what an incredible teacher it was. And as the guy was leaving, he walked by me and I said, who’s that teacher?

[00:09:03] He treated me like a stranger. Who is this guy? And then we talked a little bit. Might we talk like 20 minutes? He’s you’re listening to my radio show for 10 years. And he says, Glenn, you’re not allowed to do anymore. We got to take care of that because I miss you. We’re getting together, actually, with him and the woman he’s talking to. I love that. I said, you know, I’m a different human being when I’m in the community. I don’t feel separate. I feel like, oh, my God. And it just put me in touch with the experience. I realized that I guess what I’ve been wanting, paying attention, my brother. What have you come in on this? I’ve been doing my best to see like that’s feedback from my body. I’ve been really practicing that non-emergency is a catastrophe. It doesn’t mean to die. It’s feedback. I realize brose the call. I don’t know why I’m paying attention to that. And just that allows my body to maintain a different tone that I’m in the secondary where he comes in, which is. Oh, my God.



[00:09:59] Yeah. And to jump in there, as you said, that secondary reaction, I think, is where mindfulness and where things like meditation and just perceptive shifts. That’s where it comes in is your body. You know, it does what it does regardless of how healthy you are and how much you eat well and all of these wonderful things, you can have symptoms pop up. And what I love about this discussion is, of course, the symptoms are your gateway to an even higher degree of health and abundance and vitality. So it’s a good thing when those symptoms pop up from that perspective. But taking that and really shifting it around so that. All right, so I have the symptom, instead of going into that worry, fear, and everything else that triggers are all the cascading domino effects, like Dr. Nicole mentioned. It’s really that’s where you can consciously tweak yourself and say, all right, so I’m having these experiences. I’m having these symptoms. And what does it mean? And you just there’s a communist associated with it that you can bring to it. That’s a cognitive shift. It’s a choice. I’m a firm believer in personal choice in these things. And that’s what I love, is that we’re teaching people or giving them the tools of how to put up that stopwork, so to speak. So there are the symptoms. But then I’m going into the negative. We can stop and make a choice about how are we going to perceive this? How are we going to react to it? Think about it. And so that’s what I’m really excited to go deeper into. And once we have that shift, I kind of come back and live in this world where everything else is telling you you should act in that fear cycle.


Dr. Cain:

[00:11:33] There’s a French psychoanalyst. His name is Jack on that call, and he uses the Latin spelling of first names. And it Samsung, which is both F I and she H O and E and the derivation of that word actually means profit.

[00:11:53] And so not contrast about how your symptoms can actually be a prophet to your unconscious experiences. And if you listen to that, if you listen to your prophet, they can tell you how you can have any life. They provide you an opportunity for transformation. For example, a person may say, I have a headache, but if you listen to the prophet, if your headache, there’s something that you’ve made a discovery or if it’s not working and having anger with my parents, it provides an opportunity for resolution of that unconscious experience, that root cause. However, oftentimes people don’t want to engage in that process. So they don’t look at that process or they don’t understand that it’s an invitation to digging deeper. And the results can be disastrous. And we’re seeing this in our health care system where health care costs are skyrocketing. The United States invested more money in health care than any other country in the world. And the amount of disease and illness is higher than in many developed countries. And so I think that it’s really important to have a conversation about how our systems are calling us about our lives and what happens when you take the lead. What happens when you go back into that field was invested in experiences of your life and engage in that investigative process toward understanding your deeper self? What what does that look like? And what can happen as a result of that and their eyes? What kind of impact will it have on me? Unconscious on the person, on our culture and society at large. And my guarantee for our listeners is that you will be transformed and our culture will be transformed. The health care system will be transformed. And it’s an absolutely beautiful journey, but it’s very difficult. And there’s a lot of unknown.



[00:13:53] You know. When I first I didn’t a lot of work to do. I protected your backdrop when he first came on the scene and one of the lines that stuck with me was that he used to say that we grow old and die. Because we see other people growing that. And then there was a study in a book called My Mindfulness by Ellen Lane. And she talked about these two groups of people. They were both 70 plus. It was two groups of one group. They went to this monastery, actually, in Massachusetts where. One of the groups, as opposed to just be normal, basically just hang out, is monitoring the other group was supposed to, like, live as it was the 1950s. Yes, that way. Talk that way. It was significant shifts in their body, like their aging markers. And I guess what’s kind of interesting is that it’s almost like we live in a certain language or we live in a culture where we say things and we assume things. And the assumptions to me live at the level of information and that healing our waking lives at this level of wisdom. So wisdom is different than just having this cardboard box full of paper. It’s kind of like something we shared and we’re more alive and aware of something. Nicole, what I’m curious about is in your work with people. What facilitates awareness so that they don’t just the concept. You know, that those symptoms are healing. What’s shifted into their body? So that’s on there. They’re integrating this. This is wisdom in their lives. I know. It’s huge. Right. Because we don’t know, like in some sense where we’re in participation and experiencing versus just we have had knowledge. Right. Curiously, you see. No.


Dr. Cain:

[00:15:37] Yeah, what is the aha moment for people? When does it click? Yeah. And I’ve found that it’s really unpredictable. And I’ve had these incredibly momentous occurrences of patients where I didn’t know the conversation was going to go in that direction and they die. And then it’s like the door was opened up or the light was turned on. And they have that realization or being made that that connection or that link. I found that when a patient is walking forward and all they’re doing is taking it day by day, step by step, there’s the old adage of a lamp to your speech.

[00:16:20] And it’s as though you’re in a dark place and you don’t look around.

[00:16:26] And that lamp illuminates little bits at a time. And suddenly you see one walking, you’re going to arrive at a place where you get a little hint of something. You take another step forward. You get another kiss. And then another hit. And then suddenly you’ve seen what the picture is being painted. And so that I’ve seen happen when people are hiking in their image. I mean, it happens when people are meditating, when people are grieving, something that they’ve been suppressing for years or months. And I’ve seen it when a patient responds to homeopathic remedy or when a patient is doing UCR or when a patient is just doing CBT or cognitive-behavioral work. It’s absolutely amazing. And the body will tell us the body feels is being heard. The patient’s looking. And so as far as is how do I have my ah ha moment to I would just encourage them to just walk one step at a time, eat on the Pacific Crest Trail of the psyche. Be on okonedo of the psyche, being the donor of awareness, whatever that is for you. And that land will slowly start to reveal more and more and more. And then they’ll have ah ha that that shows you to your deeper true self.



[00:17:53] You know, something happened to call you shows ago, came up again today with Rose, where she shared about a moment in childhood. You know she heard voices in her head and she told a relative. And the real without relative told her that if you hear voices in your head and they’re not your own, you’re crazy. And I heard this story and I realized it was such a.

[00:18:15] When it came up again, they really impacted me that I know nothing about symptoms. They come to the interpretation of others. So how do we like in some sense? I was in the rose prop rose process about it and it was telling what she stopped hearing those voices. She kind of forced them away. And then she would say she can integrate and we’ll say in her mid-20s, she’s over there. How do you see interpretation? Because I realized with the conversation we’re having is a rare conversation. We’re having a conversation about welcoming something that most people around us would be oppositional to. So I imagine a lot of people come to you, Kelly. Bernie Siegel said to me many times, Dr. Bernie Siegel, that the people who die of cancer in the hospitals are the conformance. He’s only said that clearly the people who are the rowdy patients, the disrupters, the questioners, is they do better. So there seems to be something in there about you. There seems to be something to this conversation about that. Again, people come to you about conformity, about how we buy into other people’s interpretations because I realize people are very free to pass on interpretations. Oh, you have that condition. It never leaves. It only worsens. Oh, you even have eczema. You might as well just go to the drugstore and just get a wheelbarrow full of, you know, lotions, not red roses.

[00:19:34] What Rose story meant to me was not a rose, kind of like resolved it, then owned it again and that was it. That was kind of a different story for someone else that could have totally brought them. So I do find this thing about interpretation and I have a sense of Unicol, you’re very conscious about how a person I know you are, how you how a person interprets it. If someone is diagnosed with bipolar, for a lot of people, that’s a catastrophe, catastrophe in itself.


Dr. Cain:

[00:20:01] Yes. I hear you’re making me reflect on a patient that one of my colleagues had and she had stage four liver cancer. And my colleague who’s going to be leaving the country and asked me to take care of the patient while she was gone. And so I had the opportunity to meet this woman and her husband with that doctor so I could learn a little bit about what their symptoms were and what I need to be doing in order to follow that protocol in that visit. The woman asked the doctors and we were all there together. I heard about this new treatment. And I was wondering if I could try it. And the doctor said, you have stage four cancer, you’re going to die. You need to accept that fact. And the woman is like. But there’s been great results with that. It’s worth a shot. Right. And the doctor said you need to get your things in order to show cancer is lethal. You’re going to pass. I’m so sorry.



[00:21:05] And Rose, are you saying here is their response?



[00:21:09] Get devastated. That’s amazing. That’s amazing to me that somebody who calls himself a doctor would say that I understand their training and everything in the world they’re living in. But. Wow. If somebody is coming, if a patient is coming to you without much hope and knowledge and saying, you know what? Intuitively, I’m getting this, that this probably works for me. How about we try this doctor just then I’m going to die. Well, that’s terrific.


Dr. Cain:

[00:21:36] Yes. This is something that I run into all the time with diagnosis and diagnosis can be useful in the sense that I can give a clinician an idea of the patient’s presentation as it relates to what is common. And it’s more useful for Algorithmics Symptom Management with pharmacology, but it isn’t useful beyond that. In my opinion, though, my patients ask me about diagnosis and prognosis and the answer I give to them. So you have them. And the sentence that you have when you’re out of bounds when you’re not in your truth is a child. You have obsessions. You have where your brain can’t stop thinking about something and you get stuck on something. Anxiety and stress. And then you engage in what we call compulsions and stuff, a behavior that you do. It’s almost against your desire or your will, but it reduces anxiety and it gets worse and worse and worse. And so in the conventional medicine world, some may call that obsessive-compulsive disorder. But for me, I don’t care so much about what the diagnosis is, but rather what is happening on a fundamental root level that is causing you to be out of balance so that your body needs to express the symptoms of the intrusive cheated thought and therefore the subsequent behaviors of coping.

[00:23:08] And how can we address the root cause for that? You don’t need those symptoms anymore. It’s an invitation. And so I’ve had that conversation with hundreds of patients and the ways that the patients take that on. OK, I’m got a balance. We’re working on restoring balance. We’re working on healing. And then suddenly it’s not a death sentence. It’s not an identity. We talked last time about the lupus media license plate. And it’s no longer about that. And so it allows a person to hold on to their power, their autonomy, their integrity, and their hope is the most important fundamental thing. And as a clinician, our number one objective is to do no harm, and to feel some impulse. I think, one of the deepest forms trauma doctors can do. Jerome Robbins wrote an absolutely phenomenal book. I recommend everybody reads, especially health care providers.

[00:24:09] It’s called The Anatomy of Hope. And Jerome wrote, Mingy are and the Anatomy of Hope.

[00:24:16] And he talks about the prognosis of patients with chronic cancer, different diseases, and what happens to those who had hope and who did not. And the results are staggering. And so I engaged with my patients and I have a conversation with them. With that woman, I so desperately wanted to tell her. Hold on to that quote. Trying that treatment is open to whatever outcome is there for you. But don’t ever let go full because I’m not psychic. I don’t know your future. What I do know is that hope can change your body and change your brain. And so they think about diagnosing your health. Could the fashion I was when I was a teacher and my students don’t ever steal from the folks giving a diagnosis can be a hoax feeler. It could be empowering. But it comes in the language that we use with that.



[00:25:16] So since Caroline Mace became famous through norms, recognition of her work as a medical intuitive norm at about 200 medical to contact him a month, now several diagnosed Norm. Dr. Norm himself, one medical until having diagnosed with leukemia, immediately went to the hospital to show these things were absurd. And so the whole article is talking about the malpractice of so many people that call themselves healers. But I think it tapped into something that my son was. Sounds like maybe a year and a half we went to this yoga class and the woman and 40 other overclasses claimed to be quite a healer. And she diagnosed my son with a staph infection. And I remember we actually ended up going to the center of a national health clinic and they just said it was absurd. I realize, like, wow, because I think what’s happening now is more people are opening themselves to going to people beyond the conventional medical frame reference. And I would just somehow is reflecting on you know, it’s almost like a sermon.

[00:26:17] It takes such discernment to take something in to use it in a good way. I kicked off a series of Medicine Man Club, Pilar. And Clown told a story that just always sticks with me.

[00:26:30] The series is called How Sacred Medicine Can Say Modern Man, and he tells the story of his wife had this little. The little mole or something. She was a kindergarten teacher. This kid banged into her and cut them all. And next thing you know, they have this meeting with the surgeon. And the yeah, the. What’s the cancer specialist, the oncologist? So Cloud said that I think it was the cow lady, the surgeon went first. And he said he was sitting next to his wife. In the end, the surgeon was detailing what was going to happen during the surgery. And he said it was almost like his wife died. Her pulse. It was almost like she was dying. And he said only to the degree that she was just about dead. The oncologist said we’re gonna go in a different direction. He goes first. I need to do something. And he grabbed the other guy. The surgeon by his belt buckle and physically threw him out of the room. And he said he goes, he goes, it’s really important what we see here and what how we see and respond now is going to unfold to something that we want we don’t want. This is the guy who was telling you to slice all our. Pretty good size zero, and I realize that the physicality of the guys drawing them out of the office to me, to me, he was like the guardian angel of appropriate and specific action as per that action. So when I because I see this all the time, I had the Bruce Wilson from the heart man.

[00:27:58] There’s the two. He’s a cardiologist. He tells me things that people would die sometimes. The other called cardiologist called him back because of the harshness of mechanical illness, almost like the other person. There’s no consciousness. It’s almost like they can say anything. And it wouldn’t matter because. He’s talking to, I guess, a robot-like I’m not sure that the thing is, who are doctors speaking to you when you say do no harm? I mean, I could just see that. I always am appreciative when, as you would being there and there’s some form of soulful listening and that’s soulful listening opens up. I feel it. My respiration is I feel like I’m a tuning fork around it. I feel like, wow, it’s like, how could that occur? It obviously is people who go home. I mean, I just had someone call me yesterday with a diagnosis of. A very advanced prostate cancer. I did hear his voice. His soul was in the grave. I could feel it. And I said, come over. And I porro, I wanted to come away realizing it was almost like you shot people and shot. So I want to say, Nicole, that I’m so appreciative that you’re listening and your education is simply, you know, giving gardening something of someone’s soul in their vision, in their brain that allows it to walk down a different path rather than this graven image is delivered to me. That’s a crime. It’s a crime to tell someone something. Well, first of all, you don’t know. So declaring she has a death sentence. Well, that person just doesn’t. No.


Dr. Cain:

[00:29:33] Yes. Well, unfortunately, soulful listening isn’t very popular. I’ve had people tell me that that’s what I demonstrated to you. I’ve had people tell me that that’s not adequate. What is my diagnosis? Because we’re so comfortable in the familiar. And the familiar is what modern medicine has told us. It is a little research empirically based. It’s the most understood and most reliable truth. And so stepping outside of that zone of reliable performance to that zone of what we understand. And to that zone, proximal development zone, where we’re outside of our comfort zone, our comfort area. It feels unsafe and it feels uncomfortable, too unreliable. And unfortunately, a lot of times when using language like this, people from a state of fear and uncertainty have a judgment on their language. Oh, here. Woo! Woo! Oh, you’re being a little bit too quackery. You know, using a lot of language like that. Some places fear of what might be because of what might be scarier than the dark reality that is in a lot of cases. And so what I think it’s a crime for that doctor to tell that patients you’re going to die of liver cancer, don’t bother. It might have felt safer for her to say that as opposed to open up to the possibility that she may be wrong, that there may be something else, or what if she opens up the possibility of hope and then it’s disappointing.

[00:31:22] And so I think that’s a major obstacle in our health care system that we’re going to come across with these conversations and people listening right now maybe, you know, say, oh, we’re way out into the left-field because we’re not understanding physics, physiology, biochemistry, stage four, liver cancer. Like, who could live from that? But the impossible happens every day. And I’ve had I’ve heard dozens of stories, a natural doctor about people who experience Commissioner Pure went back to their original doctors who are likely you probably didn’t have that, to begin with, because it’s so inconceivable that a person could be cured of any terrible disease that thereby that, of course, the diagnosis must be wrong. I’ve seen that with cancer. I’ve seen that with medical imaging and broken bones. They did pre and post x-ray testing the bone with maracas. And it’s impossible according to our modern profession. And therefore, the one must not have been broken in which the arteries. So we’re really kind of go up against a lot of oppression with this. I think that the pendulum is moving. I think there is a reality of the obstacles, the doctors proceeding.

[00:32:41] It’s kind of a shift and thereby how it’s impacting people at large. So I think conversations like this are really good, but it makes me wonder what could happen going forward, what the conversation needs to shift on a larger scale level for doctors and people, in a way.



[00:33:04] Share with people what homeopathy is a lot of people, I want to say, people, who even know at home they heard the word or they think they don’t know what it is. Or they think it’s herbalism, I think. So you’re both in nature pathic position.


Dr. Cain:

[00:33:22] It’s a matter public medicine is an old system. And it’s been around for hundreds of years and it’s been formalized into a distinct and separate fact is we have medical schools where students learn the basic anatomy, physiology, pharmacology.

[00:33:40] We have to for medical boards that we have to pass them. And in many states, we’re licensed to diagnose and treat. And so you do your surgery. And Ivy and natural Katic doctors are different because we focus on prevention. We focus on the healing power of that person here in the power of nature. And we use many tools.

[00:34:04] So there botanical medicine, there’s herbal medicine, which is the Chappells under acupuncture and physical medicine. And then also homeopathy is a separate and distinct form of medicine. It’s been around since the eighteen hundred. And let me out to be is prescribed a system of like two if you like. And so there are homeopathic remedies. But the way that you prescribe them will make it homeopathy or not. And so, for example, if someone had high levels, you can use Polumbo, Metallica, which is homeopathic. Let’s let this band prepare an injured homeopathic remedy. You can use it ISO category to give the person elaborative homeopathic led and the body will actually reinforce blood testing the patients and elucidate and work that I feel happy.

[00:35:01] But homeopathy is where you actually take the case of the patient since them and you match it to a homeopathic remedy. And the remedy provides information to the body on what it looks like in your state, in the balance. And the body responds by correcting itself, correcting that imbalance. And so it’s different because all other forms of medicine cause a change. If you see someone and say it actually changes the inflammatory cytokines, you give someone, Tumeric behaves similarly, but you get some information, headache remedy and it gives the body information. The remedy doesn’t do anything to get the body information and the body actually changes with respect to that information. Prescribed correctly. There’s a look and it talks about these the actual biomechanics of homeopathy. And it is absolutely phenomenal. And I can give you guys information for that at the end of the podcast.



[00:36:11] I think this is a great Segway actually, into talking about patients and going into their fear-based responses around symptoms and how to really work through that and the obstacles that you’ve seen, how you help them through it, because it’s one thing to say, all right.

[00:36:30] This is actually how we have to kill you. We have to go into these darker places, which is, of course, like you said, sometimes just having that the diagnosis itself and saying, well, you have four months to live. That’s easier to hear than saying we have to go into all of your stuff that you don’t even want to touch and you’re going to pretend that it’s not there, which is kind of it’s really powerful to me to hear that when you look at the choices, you’re like, alright, I can go into my all my emotional stuff and all of my psycho psychological stuff or I can die. And so, you know, I feel like putting it that way and you’re like, wow, which one’s better? And I can see for some people that maybe they choose death like that, that might be the option that they choose. So I’d love from your perspective to say how you’ve helped people go into those murky areas of themselves and really transition into that type of healing.


Dr. Cain

[00:37:24] Yes, going into the murky areas of the archetypal unconscious the murky areas of trauma, whatever that may be. And the more we learn about these moments, the more I come to the conclusion that it is almost always a trauma bay. There was, in fact, a study published. It’s called the Eighth Study, The Adverse Childhood Events. And it was funded by the CDC and Kaiser Permanente. They were they looked at children who had had adverse events, whether it is family discord or homelessness or disease in the family or whatever it was, broken bones, anything. And they correlated that longitudinally with subsequent diseases that the people developed later in life. And they found almost every disease in health history to be associated with that. And a phenomenal study. And so looking back into that, trauma is often fundamental. And so the way I start is to first do Farai and just very is Latin for education or physician and teacher. And to kind of explain to them what they’re going to be possibly seeing. So as I mentioned previously, the Pacific Crest Trail or the El Camino Yabo, and those are both living long hikes that people do.

[00:38:48] And these are described as incredibly transformative experiences, just like going into your murky self and understanding the root cause of your symptoms and why you have a state with the fatigue, anxiety. What that coming from those can be transformative experiences, those experiences. That transformation doesn’t happen every day but by their very virtue of being their epistemic. And they can be feared, misunderstood and even hated. So we all have transformative experiences over the lifetime of having a deeper understanding of the process that can bring us to a better life. And so I talk to my patients about how the hardest part is actually the transformation itself. The hardest part is, is when we go in and uncover the murky darkness, we moving the self to. What was the hardest part is what comes next, what comes after the transformation, what comes after you return from the Pacific trail? What happens after you come back from the Camino? What comes next is the hardest part, because none of your own rules are going to work anymore. The structures that you had in place for your entire life are no longer appropriate.

[00:40:12] The expectations of the people around you are no longer with your way of thinking and being. The health care system at large is now incongruent with what you’ve always never understood. Everything has changed, and now you need Kneubuhl a new way of being in your cells and in the world. This requires death to be old. And so the hardest part of this whole process is that space between the doctors, the old and the versus the new and that space between economic crisis point that point to nothingness or what you’ve known for so long. It’s been stripped away, but you haven’t built new structures. And so this requires that all the prerequisites for that work is knowing that this is coming, the appealing crisis. Crisis point that faced between when nothing makes sense and it’s dark and we don’t have the new tools. You don’t have your own tools and knowing what to do and how to be in that space.

[00:41:18] What does that look like? What does that feel like? And are you ready for it? Who are your warriors? Who are your allies? You can be with you in that faith. And so that’s the first charge. I’m curious, as I have been talking about that if I hear you have witnessed or heard a story about or talked to anybody who’s been in this crisis point. I think this is a pivotal part of this conversation.



[00:41:46] Yeah, I’ll jump in. I myself have been in that. It wasn’t because of health reasons necessarily.

[00:41:53] It was more it was more just taking my life to the next level and leveling on every aspect. So from health to career to lifestyle, just the whole thing. So I would say was probably in my early mid-20s when I really started looking around the world. It was when I had my daughter at 24 and the shift in responsibility from having to take care of just myself really to having to take care of this other human being. And what was the best way to bring up this new and a sick person? That was 100 percent my responsibility.

[00:42:28] So what how am I going to educate her? How am I going to feed her? What are the beliefs that I believe are the best ones to instill in her? All of these things. So I think having a daughter, having a child for the first time was the trigger point for all of this questioning to happen. And once I really started looking into our food system, our health care, our education systems. I saw how broke all of them were. And I didn’t I had that crisis point. I didn’t know where to go. And I felt totally alone. And I was like, well, now, now what? So for me, it was starting to seek out communities and people that had already been through it and had sort of said, OK, so you don’t like, let’s say, the food system, right? Well, OK. So here’s one venue can let’s say the transition to organic and there are people to help you do that or there’s another thing like paleo and maybe you want to give this a try or green juice. So then you start seeing all of the communities that have already splintered off into these new paradigms that you can actually connect to. So for me, it was finding those connections into alternative ways of being and seeing the world that now matched my new perspective and new consciousness. So that’s hopefully helpful for other people, is really there are communities that have already been through it. And I’m sure if it’s cancer if it’s heart disease or whatever the case may be in terms of our health care. There must be communities of people that you can connect to on that other side.


Dr. Cain:

[00:44:06] So beautiful. I think that connection is 100 percent key.

[00:44:10] And what I mean a lot is that people haven’t found that connection yet. And what you’re describing is incredibly wide. So they go back to the place of the transformation began and they go back to the trail, the Camino, whatever it is. But you can’t live your life on the cheap. You have to either jump or you have to turn back.

[00:44:33] And some people, like you, wrote, if they choose to jump and thus began looking beautiful during your other cheek as they move along, riding the wind, allowing yourself to present with the twist and turn that that lamp on your feet is that allows you more depths of glimpses into what’s happening with these changes that the reintegration itself. And so the first thing is to find comfort in the unknown. Listen to your concerns and surround yourself with allies. Like you said, I’m turning into the good, if you will, where when you’re sliding on ice, you’re crushed by the right are desires to turn the left. That will make it worse. We turn to the right, turn into the page. Turn into the good. Where you go. What was. And so I have some additional tools. And Rocchi, you touch on a very top one. The first one is finding community. And I think that’s something that you’re incredibly gifted at, is that connection that I found relationship. And I was wondering if you could speak to how you foster and facilitate that, because I feel like that’s an incredibly unique gift that you really, really own.



[00:45:47] Thank you, and it certainly. It’s true in the sense of love and family, I feel like you and Rose, so it’s a beautiful thing to bring up.

[00:45:56] You know, the other day I was thinking about. I would just think there was a time where I would just treasure or. I didn’t want to be confused, but I want to say we’re going through this period. I would just. I went through what I would call a very intense relational tsunami where, you know, my wife. I just felt this. I just felt our bond would only deepen. I never saw that we couldn’t go another level together. And in you know, in some sense, she had different views. So my whole life, like when I say was your Lyme disease, my first inclination was to find people all around the country. So we had a backup plan because even to this day, there are some people in major devastation around their relationship online. So relational lists are a relational system. I just started to realize it just makes sense to me, it makes sense. Well, finally, as I hear in Rose, the story opens up the relations and the story helps me to see and integrate. I guess for real. What’s his name? Who’s the guy who wrote the books on the brain? Daniel Siegel. We did a whole show on the relational brain. So when I hear Rose’s story, it’s like, oh, yeah, it’s like I could see that. But that’s like the other day when I had a kid, I had a connection with someone who actually was into my shell when I got a human connection. I just see relational lists, is PI the core of everything? When I think of my relational illness, is that what you just said? So be it. Martin boogers book the I. I that it. Ah. The whole idea that we actually have this, this invisible yet powerful relationship and that when we start to see things in terms of that relationship.

[00:47:38] But even people sometimes call themselves holistic, how they relate to the relationship is very much alive pathic. They’ll cut off the relationship. They’ll cut off the thumb. Like they’ll they see things in a fragmented way. And I want to say that I guess this idea where I come from, I thought relational intelligence, it just very humbly and opening like I could see today. I felt I did something that broke a little bit of a relationship. And I see it again the day I had this falling out with someone years ago. I saw the other day. And I feel reflecting on it as reflecting how it is for me now, you know, versus I was kind of what in some sense, what defined transformation. I don’t even know what transformed. You know, think this woman told me she saw my talk. She said, well, you transwoman, I was like. Tell me about it. I want to learn why you think that’s the case. Can I make sure that there are two things in this paradigm on Dean Ornish is both what’s called survival and love, which is what he learned from just working on people’s diet and exercise. The guy would match his diet and exercise. They got the guy mastered the wrong was, you know, having chronic a chronic heart condition. He died on the wrong machine and it’s totally perplexing. Dean Ornish. He said it was not. It was the love of the group. I think somehow if something had happened to, we could really just be ourselves. Because I know for me, as part of the processes is kind of can we really be misallocating from public speaking to really be an expression says what are people hating us, killing or thinking we’re crazy and all that stuff that we walk around with.

[00:49:15] Right. So like just the conversation of how to be a transformational community. I just know that I when I feel it, I tend to feel like safer and that, OK, we’re in this process to get the whole thing sort of process together, like somehow, like, I think more freaked out. We think, oh, it’s going to stop here and then explode like so that that helps me to hear that process goes on. You know, the words it’s called Rose discovered this and she was able to move on that integrated. And that was like I guess she could say honestly, relational this to me. So we have in our culture this thing I called the divorce virus. It’s incredibly popular and people do it. There’s something in the very NPR yesterday about season one. People divorce in January. Very interesting that I met the couple recently. They said divorce to each other. And the wife said, let’s just move to Hawaii. They’ve been married eleven years. Like, somehow part of this conversation is what are our beliefs about brain plasticity? Like, what does that really mean? And we’ve groomed in our brains that the solution to our problem is divorce or division. Like, I’m really curious about these things. I guess I, I come alive in these discussions because I want to grow into the catch. I want my life both way right into my soul so that sometimes I still get stuck. And I realized, oh, I’m stuck again. But that’s part of the process. It doesn’t mean I fail. Failed the process.


Dr. Cain:

[00:50:37] Yes, but getting stuck means that you’re sitting, getting somewhere because the process is going to be two steps forward and one step back and just the forward, one step back. So, yes, learning that it’s okay to pause and to get stuck and just to know that it’s inevitable and it happens and it means you’re working. Right. I love what you said about transformational community, because as long as you’re searching for each community, I have found that it’s really helpful to try to surround yourself with people who are trying to transform and trying to grow as opposed to people who are simply injured. They still not that that’s a bad thing, but rather if you’re working towards transformation by surround yourself with people who are also working for transformation and help with that uniting process. There’s another perspective I think that would be helpful moving through that, moving forward. And the concept of essentialism, one of my favorite books to potential has been written by a group known and I think essentialism can serve as a guide point to where you’re going. So you started point A, did you go on the Camino specific trail? You go into the depths of the UDR and you pull things out and knowing this is the goal now, where are you going? Your high commissioners will return to just after that.

[00:52:02] Can you give us direction to what we do and how we spend our time? So I encourage everyone listening. You know, you reflect upon the podcast, write down what is my highest mission? What am I doing here on this planet? What what is my purpose in life? There’s one thing. What would that be? And then I make a list of everything that you do on a daily basis and then give me that list circled the things that are getting you to that high school, that highest mission, and cross the things that that you’re doing that are turning away because that will help us as American culture. Shifting from the doers of all, I’m after you. None to be focused on that trend, to make a transformative period. Getting you to your essential goal, your height to yourself. Look, connection, essentialism. The third is intentionality, where you use intention to set goals to follow through goals. So people like a structured calendar, visual practice is another one. So connection, essentialism, intentionality, and happy practice. The research shows that 20 minutes a day of mindfulness changes your brain in grey matter. It’s the amount of time that people can typically tolerate outside of their comfort zone.

[00:53:22] Working and daily practice is going to help move you forward in bite-sized chunks that lap into your feet or little steps moving forward. And then the next step is mindfulness with connection, essentialism, intentionality, daily practice, mindfulness, mindfulness, and contemplation. Fruitful listening, journaling, reading, meditating, silence. Glad you mentioned Dan Siegel and I love you and Kagel. She’s the author of Interpersonal Neurobiology, and she described in that book The Healthy Mind Clatter. And these are all of the fundamental areas of transformative experience. And she breaks this sleep to cool it up to where you’re exercising, using your body focused time, where you look at passion projects, you do your work downtime, relax, playtime where you’re active, enjoyable recreation. Chime in. And time is that time of reflection and contemplation. And then like what we’ve been talking about today is that time for connection. And so if you look at all of these components of the well-being of the person and use intentionality in daily practice to become more mindful, to make good, transformative community connections, you should be essential to your height. So that in a dark place of in between, you’re slowly going to start moving forward, creating new rules, creating new systems, creating new structures and creating new self.



[00:55:00] I have to agree, putting on something I want to bring by both of you. So. I’m doing this little project around Panitz.

[00:55:10] And, you know, because I aspire to put an event together next year and I’ve already had some good responses from resorts and I want to play this exhibition match, not to win the match, just as I want to keep evolving my tennis game. So what I noticed is I’ve given up that way. I used to serve.

[00:55:25] Right, because I know I can serve much. Better and more effective anesthetic. And so I am all my other strokes, my back, and my form. Obali I know mistakes come with the game. But somehow when I go to change my serve, I’m in this in-between place where I’m still, like, getting this sense of where to go. Do I know I always feel like I want to go someplace and just endlessly practice and I want to be with someone who lets me practice because I noticed my practice partners?

[00:55:54] They like it when I get my back into them. And I would say that in our culture, we don’t like practicing. We have a judgment day practicing. It’s a kind of wondrous thing. And so what I’m just noticing that I’m just noticing this morning is that it’s like it’s almost like when I suppose what to rush through it. And I was just contemplating how, like my other strokes, I see them practice mistakes occur, which may serve. And so I wanted to change so quickly. And of I really like I just practice it, so it’s kind of its part of this process that I just it’s such an interesting a little bit of a disconnect.

[00:56:29] Because I have this connection to my my my other strokes and then the format of that service kind of like plus it’s such a definitive statement, your serve. You know, it’s kind of just this moment of the game where you get to serve it symbolically and energetically. It’s up. So I’ve been watching that in my career on the up and my process, I think. I guess the upper end of a process is mastered. We’re always going through mastery. So I want what helps me, I guess when I hear you share Rogier, is that it’s really fun sharing mastery because of mastery needs. It never ends. It was not pretty simple. I think in our culture, we get here, make three thousand dollars a year. We took, you know, whatever it is, the formula. Right. We have formulas or archetypes that we don’t even know and people speak to out of archetypes. And an author called me up. He says, Glenn, I want to write a chapter in your book because there’s an archetype of women 45 plus who just divorced. That’s the whole archetype. I want to write because coming from another woman wouldn’t we were going to get it. So we’re trapped by archetypes because we don’t realize we’re in one. I love what you said about remedies, by the way. I think that was the most interesting way. Look at the Remley reminds you of something I could shoot the kind of shows you, like a headline or something. It’s very interesting. That’s so different than all the other facets of healing writers because most frequently it’s really invasive or does something to us or changes our stop something. And you’re saying that the remedy and homeopathy allows us to see something. So the body responds in an appropriate, cohesive way or something like that. Rel. Yes.


Dr. Cain:

[00:58:13] Yes. And I don’t like that analogy because I think analogies are so much more of a concise, understandable way for people to grasp the concept. Is that tennis with that? And that’s exactly what we all want. Let’s get to this difficult part where I’m changing my cancer or I’m learning this new skill and that’s when you’re you’re extending yourself out of the zone. This is the Scott Miller concept I mentioned in the zone of reliable performance when you use your Chinaski and that you’re like, really comfortable with. Yeah. You could play all day like that. But then when you shift out or you go into the now or you go into the trailer, you do the counseling is homeopathy or whatever that process is, you’re now shifting into that zone of proximal development so that that development occurs. The growth of the self occurs. When you switch your set off and you start, you change it up. But that’s really difficult. And most people, as I mentioned, can really only sustain that for 20 to 30 consecutive minutes because it’s so challenging emotionally, psychologically, mentally. But that’s where the transformation actually happens.



[00:59:30] You know, it’s interesting because we call and Rose. I hung out with one of the innovators in cross yesterday. I love getting to the root who innovated something and somehow I get so far away. So he said to me, You think you said the beginning? We’re getting across. It was ten minutes. Oh, work. It was ten minutes. That was it. And he was saying they’re going to add so much to it. And it’s become so expensive and as happens of so many things. So when you just said that that was the first time I realized that I’m probably straining myself. If my eyes make contact with me, I would practice two hours. But then I realized the downside would start to happen after 20 minutes, like 20 minutes of practicing mindfully, pleasantly would be very. This is another cultural acquired habit that we think more is better. And more and more is better. Right. So when you said at this point, oh, that’s really interesting. That’s another. And part of my mind thinks less is better. Couples need to get underwhelm, not o- one. But in some sense, in that part of my system that thinks about my zero thinking, I’ve got to get to a 10. I got to get someplace I could really practice. My practice is much longer than being aware that 20-minute cycle. How is that homeopathy?


Dr. Cain:

[01:00:50] Because homeopathy is a little of an intervention that you can do. And it’s more powerful women and that we have people who question homeopathy for decades because each medicine is putting time beyond undergraduate’s number. And so it doesn’t actually contain any of the original material in it. But what happens is the solution. That’s the growth material is added to. Actually is transformed by having had the presence of high growth and to begin with. And so it’s deluded and the cost is delivered, the cuts into nonmaterial form, thereby transformed through that process, will be shaken up and diluted, which is kind of analogous to the problem, the feeling that we’re talking about. We’re making healing remedies with similar problems of how we heal. And then we have this medicine that has no physical material and the information of the transformation in it. We give that information to the person and then it goes through their transformation.



[01:01:55] That’s pretty cool, of course, was his feeling something about this idea, Rose, I think you’ve got another powerful cause that I think is so many people would be by being in this powerful conversation and having an external experience. Why are we so powerful, Nicole? I would love that, Rose.



[01:02:14] Yeah. What’s really coming through for me is this idea of the zone of proximal development and transformation. Because if you take the average person who’s not really used to this sort of way of being and progressing. And you’re saying 20 minutes is like a nice starting place. I wonder then if this is something that we can expand into, meaning that we become more habituated to acting in this discomfort zone. Kind of like I was just actually talking to Glenn about this a little while ago regarding yoga, where you’re always working at your edge. Right. And so you’re breathing into the discomfort. And really the practice is getting comfortable with physical discomfort and being at that edge every day. That’s how you progress. So I wonder if the more we go through these periods of transformation and we consciously practice things that put us in that zone of uncomfortability, if we get better at it, therefore, as it goes, our growth ends up kind of being on an exponential curve because then we can keep ourselves in that zone and continue to grow for longer and longer periods.

[01:03:28] And then that, again, not that more is better. But I think from what I’ve read and I do, a lot of things that run leadership and entrepreneurship are great leaders who make huge transformations in the world and in their companies.

[01:03:43] They tend to be very comfortable in the zone. And they actually seek it out much more than the average person. And they kind of live there many times, like almost all day at work.

[01:03:54] You’re living in this zone because you have to be making these kinds of decisions and things are changing. And all of these things.

[01:04:01] So I feel that although we start off relatively small with those 20-minute increments, that being in this constant zone of growth is not only possible, but I feel that many of our top leaders throughout history, even they’ve been able to live in that zone and really get comfortable with transformation and change. And that idea of constantly leveling to whatever is next. I was just wondering about your thoughts.


Dr. Cain:

[01:04:34] And what you’re saying is what, Greg, because the fact about essentialism is to talk about the most successful people and how they became successful. And it’s by using these processes and they’ll schedule their life down to five-minute increments. Like right now is when I drink my coffee and then I’m going to eat my eggs. And then I’m like, let’s shoot. Like a can belong bite-sized chunks. That’s very structured. And of course, our listeners don’t need to be so regimented and structured, but it shows about how intentionality and still a practice is making it doable, and starting out with small, achievable goals can actually help us progress. During those moments where you say that needs certain shyness or when we’re in that space between the transformation and the new developments that can actually facilitate and to that. And so really, I recommend people read essentialism. I think it would be a really great complement to the actionable discussion we’re having right now.



[01:05:42] So every so often what I experienced is kind of like the bends. And I am a recognition of it now. So I feel like what I mean by the bench is like when a diver comes in two quick hits that almost they get.

[01:05:55] So sometimes I feel like the other night I woke up rant. But when I was concerned about something in one of my relationships. And I could feel like I was. It was like there was a moment, I felt like I couldn’t integrate it. And then I realized I chiros. I will integrate it. I can. I guess it’s that self-remembering is great. Gurdgiev said the problem is that most people hypnotizing don’t know. So it was kind of I thought, well, this is kind of like this. I’m integrating something and I don’t know about yet. And I realized that this. This. Yeah. The integration of something is again, I think it just really new for us. Is it better for our brains, for our culture? Because I think what happens, we go to remedy or we go to medication in Peter Bragan neuro medication MALUSI, he said that he’s concerned this is going to blow up our brains, that using so many medications. He wrote, Oh, God, he was a classic book on psychiatry. It’s called it’s all about the dark side. It’s the car and the basic dark side is your car.

[01:06:59] He’s a psychiatrist. The dark side is that we don’t. We don’t listen and have a dialogue. We go to malls and take medication. So what we’re talking about is kind of this other whole thing about process listening, noticing another thing I think is significant. And I’m still acknowledging, acknowledging when you stop a terrifying. I mean, I could just once time in a group, Kelin spontaneously. And it was like what was so beautiful and surprising. But everyone the group actually acknowledged I had a similar experience when I was totally tilted to the right in thinking it was just me. So I think acknowledgment and that’s why I’m excited to see this class in the fall because I think that we had people where we have 60 people that are listening and digesting and noticing and reflecting. Oh, listen, we’re in a group process. It’s bigger than our brains. It shifts our brain that we can touch each other’s hearts and change each other’s brains. Maybe the purpose of the program and then somebody will option. We could think remedies, which is a lot of people who’ve never taken a remedy.


Dr. Cain:

[01:08:01] I love that about soulful listening because I think that that’s a fundamental prerequisite, is he woke up at night and he kind of experience and instead of judging that experience, experiences on of the symptoms, you youthful listen and you listen to that. You integrated that to what? You could have a deeper meaning. And you realized, oh, I’m in the process of transformation. You’re in that dark day. But you re-identifying it as a part of the transformation. And that going all the way back to the conversation about how the way that we respond to our symptoms or to the tick by the way that we respond to things that are happening is going to change the way our biology responds to our brain. And so you could have woken up in the middle of the night. Had that thought got stressed and anxious. If your blood pressure could have gone up, but instead to soulful listening to understand the deeper process of your body, sharing that with you. And it became an even greater part of your transformation that you were reinforced by the soulful listening. The transformation. It is it’s brilliant and incredibly intuitive that you’re able to identify that. And so you get in the chorus. I think that journaling for people may be a fundamental way to allow them to tap into what’s happening with their processing, allow them to hopefully listen to what may be more in the unconscious.



[01:09:32] You know, I love the idea. I love the idea of that and what I like to get into the course. And Rose, I want to get your take on this. Relationally speaking over the last, let’s say, 20, let’s say the last 30 years, we’ve been guided so much to self-promotion practices. I love the idea of couples journaling together because I think part of what happens is that it’s so secret deep. If we share it, it just opens up his other soul connect. And I feel for a lot of couples on the verge of divorce and disconnection. That’s what they need. I mean, every all the people that have touched me, the deepest I have talked about this relational system, a family system. And I’ve been really the last few weeks. I’ve been watching, of course, on the UN on what they got, what they thought of the family system. When I realized it’s so profound to think that we’re going out with grandpa and your aunt has to do the thing, you know. So I think the only way we missed part of this or was overdesigned is too much self emergence. So it comes up for me around the journaling. Kind of want to share that with my partner. And because it’s so enclosed and so deep and I like to explore how do we take this stuff and make it relational so that, you know, it’s edible. There’s this level, we are our brains to ship it together. And it’s not just me off doing my journal. I really want to do my journal with my family was like, I can see this in my family right now.

[01:10:51] Like I always when my daughter calls me and she has something really going on, I’m so happy about it. That’s when I hear a soul. It’s almost like I hope something happens that I know. But I’m really happy it suddenly occurs where I feel like she’s bumped a little bit and she’s sharing from that place. That’s called intimacy. Right. That’s called the intimacy of healing, the intimacy of healing.

[01:11:15] Well, I want to. I want to turn over to Rose Nicole. I want to say I love you and I’m so happy that we’re doing this series. We’ll be with you again next month. And by the way, every time you said, listen, we have people viewing us now. They’re viewing us right, as you said, listening to the whole show, and I’m thinking they’re also watching us. Oh, fantastic. They are watching us. You know, I’ve been on radio 20 so years, I, I always you think in terms of listeners, nothing in terms of viewers and listeners. I treasure I so deeply treasure you in our conversation. Rose, you know, Mitch, I just want to say, just knowing Rose gotten his. Twenty thousand years just it’s only been maybe seven months, but it’s just it’s been so opening on so many levels and it’s always had a vision of this occurring. And so here we are. So I want to tell you, life is precious and joy. I want to thank you. Going to come so I can explain in between the next hour. Boy, when I see you, first of all, I talked again about my process. What’s happening. Rosa, why don’t you take us out today?



[01:12:13] Sure. Actually, you know, what I would love is, Nicole, if you could repeat just those steps that you outlined before, they were so beautiful. So I kind of want to leave listeners with that list in their minds of how to really help them through this transition. So if you could just repeat things like maybe a great way to wrap up.


Dr. Cain:

[01:12:32] Yes, absolutely. The transformation is a connection, transformational community essentialism, identifying your final mission and what you’re doing to get there, intentionality, being intentional, setting goals, and following through daily practice 20 minutes a day. And then finally, mindfulness, contemplation, hopefully listening, journaling and meditating in you a healthy mind. You can find that more with Dr. Dan Siegel’s book, The Neurobiology. And I wanted to introduce myself to those who might not know who I am. I’m Joshua Cocaine. And you can learn more about me by going to the beach. Have you abused used the article team dot com.



[01:13:20] And I would say there are new website is gonna be unscripted power dot com, which is roses. She’s right there with me on that. I’m so honored by this Rose with the power that comes common, Rose going to New York, whatever you want to share it to about who you are or what your website is, whatever.

[01:13:35] Sure. If people want to know about my work, I’m the creator and founder of Limitless Life Evolution. And our goal with that organization is to shift humanity out of scarcity.

[01:13:46] And it’s a global system of abundance. So that sounds interesting. And you want to learn more. You can go to w w w limitless likes evolution dot com.



[01:13:56] Your life, precious enjoy thanks. Seem to be on the form. And we love to hear from you because we in some sense, by how we listen and how we pay attention, we change each other’s brain, we become more awake, more loving, more creative, and all the greats of all that, all that wonderful stuff that’s there for us in becoming relationship. Good experience. Thanks again for being with us today.


Dr. Cain:

[01:14:21] You have been listening to a production by my mental health doc, and I am Dr. Nicole Cain. Thank you for joining me today on a journey towards a life empowered.

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